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ONLY NICE THINGS

12:56 / 07.06.02

This was just shameful. A shameful example of all that is wrong with the common people. Look at them sporting out there. Like animals. Like animnals. Scum.

12:58 / 07.06.02

Running around after a sphere, singing, shouting and most probably drinking "booze".

All though I hate to say it, they did play well

13:07 / 07.06.02

My sister is despairing of me because 1) I watched some of it and 2) I cheered when England won.

13:08 / 07.06.02

What on earth can you mean? A wonderful celebration of sportsmanship and non-partisan internationalism. Brought the nation together. Made people and publicans happy. You elitist swine.

ONLY NICE THINGS

13:11 / 07.06.02

Proletarian! Vulgarian! Commoner!

13:17 / 07.06.02

you sound horribly like my sister.

13:18 / 07.06.02

i saw a bloke this morning with a george cross wrapped around his shoulders like a cape and his face painted with same flag. it finally came to me why i dislike a lot of england fans - it's the lack of *celebration* they carry with them. i've been to loads of matches around europe and in comparision i've noticed a distinct lack of smiling by england fans - the flag seems to be worn quite aggressively. the bloke this morning didn't look like he was out to enjoy himself, he looked fucking angry.

saw a bit of the match. i quite fancy owen, so to speak.

now excuse me. i have some european cinema to go to....

13:19 / 07.06.02

Nicky Butt. Man of the match. 'king hell. Never a penalty. England played well, though. *gritted teeth*Good luck to them.*gritted teeth*

ONLY NICE THINGS

13:19 / 07.06.02

OH, I can't keep it up.

Lovely England! Lovely David Beckham! The bit after the final whistle blew when he embraced David Seaman and the lifted up his legs so he was damn near crossing his ankles behind "Spunky"'s back was positively slashtastic.

And how exciting was that match? The bright attacking play of England in the first 60 minutes, the nail-biting defence...loely warm schnoogles for *everyone!*.

Except Batistuta. He's a bad man.

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

13:20 / 07.06.02

Amusingly enough, the bar (which fancies itself some sort of English/Aussie drinking establishment hybrid all year around and there's never anything but soccer jerseys and the like and flags from different European countries hanging about on the walls) down the street from my house has decided to stay open 24 hours through the World Cup proceedings. Still, this being the Bible Belt and all, they have to stop serving alcohol from 4 am to 8 am. All the expat Brits we know got up at 6 am to go watch this match. Nuts, I say. Completely nuts.

I think that place has a website. I believe it's http://www.brewhousecafe.com/

13:30 / 07.06.02

We got to have a two and a half hour lunch break to watch it.

I spent the entire match playing with my managers cat.

Go figure

13:30 / 07.06.02

Phew! Someone braved it! Nice one Haus. I was gonna start this thread, but was too scared of being accused as a nationalist, racist, neo-nazi psycho-drunkard, plank carrying thug.

Actually I am.

And Owen should have scored a bagfull.

Nice to see Danny Mills & Trev Sinclair coming of footballing age.

13:32 / 07.06.02

I saw a bloke at the train station this morning with a shaved head and a red cross drawn across the top, apparently in marker pen.

"Target for pigeons?" was what I didn't say.

We're The Great Old Ones Now

13:38 / 07.06.02

I'm intrigued by all this. I'm terribly excited by the England team winning, but utterly uninterested in the fact that they're a national team. They just happen to be my team. I'm wondering whether there's a de-localisation of football going on. I'm also wondering whether, if the Americans do really well, it could form a stronger link between the US and the rest of the world - a popular sport shared couldn't be bad. Maybe a few more US citizens would get passports and travel a bit.

13:42 / 07.06.02

People are actually doing cartwheels in the office, real no foolin cartwheels...

13:47 / 07.06.02

I'm also wondering whether, if the Americans do really well, it could form a stronger link between the US and the rest of the world - a popular sport shared couldn't be bad. Maybe a few more US citizens would get passports and travel a bit.

Yes, let's send our Sports Hooligans around the world. That'd be great for our country's image. Our fans burn shit down in their own neighborhoods when their teams WIN. What would they do in South Korea?

We're The Great Old Ones Now

13:52 / 07.06.02

Get executed.

13:57 / 07.06.02

Is that true? Do you get executed for vandalism in South Korea?

13:57 / 07.06.02

still a paltry goal from a penalty is hardly anykind of a way to win. All victories count, true, but this is hardly anything to write home about.

14:02 / 07.06.02

Peresphone, were you in Chicago when the Bulls won any of their championships?

It's kind of reminds me of that here, except with national pride instead of civic pride, and drunks in daylight instead of night-time, and no near riots that I know of as of yet.

ONLY NICE THINGS

14:03 / 07.06.02

Did you see the match, Sleaze? It was a genuinely exciting, suspenseful game of very good football on both sides. It demonstrated how England can raise their game, it featured several excellent moves and some great football.

Plus, it featured Pierluigi Collina. Rowwwwr....

We're The Great Old Ones Now

14:10 / 07.06.02

Persephone - I have no idea. I said it instead of saying that the possibility of breaking foreign laws, and suffering the attenant penalties, is part of the exciting business of leaving your own home town and learning the non-specific things you learn in the process. But I suspect South Korean police do go armed, and I doubt vandalism on the scale described goes over very big there.

14:10 / 07.06.02

Yes, for one of them I did a walkabout up Clark Street. No vandalism, just high-fiving complete strangers. I remember there was this cop locked in his car with a loudspeaker repeating over and over: GO HOME NOW! GO HOME AND CELEBRATE WITH YOUR LOVED ONES!

Big Furry Bear

14:12 / 07.06.02

They should definitely clone Pierluigi and have him referee every game of football. How rarely does he make a bad call?

It was a tense old 90 minutes though and it may have been a scrappy win, but to beat the tournament favourites not conceding a goal is a fantastic achievement.

Phenomenal defending at times from England. And Nicky Butt more than warranting his inclusion.

Good stuff.

14:18 / 07.06.02

Oop, the above was for Cherry obviously.

Nick - I probably shouldn't repeat this, but there is actually a Korean word that describes the national lack of a sense of humor. Funnily enough I found it in a book that was published by the S. Korean Dept. of Tourism.

14:58 / 07.06.02

"But I suspect South Korean police do go armed, and I doubt vandalism on the scale described goes over very big there. "

Are you saying Nick, that a hard line right wing approach to crime and sentencing is required to clear up the UK's vandalism problem (graffiti thread?!)?

Don't think the game was poor particularly. Not only did they beat probably the second best team [on paper] in the world, but did so for 60 minutes in convincing fashion, conceivably having the chances to make it 3 or 4 - 1.

15:06 / 07.06.02

You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves, you football watchers. You spent all morning talking about it. You excused yourselves for a scandalously long lunch break. You just spent all afternoon talking about it. And now you're probably in the pub, after having left early. Utterly disgraceful shirking and damaging to your good and generous employers.

You're basically TERRORISTS, you know.

15:25 / 07.06.02

It was great walking around the streets while this game was on today. Pretty much no men anywhere, and every five minutes a massive, collective roar of anger would emerge from the nearest open window and I'd mistake it for an approaching mob and get a little adrenalin rush..

..and it gives me an excuse to not listen to the news, because I know in advance it'll be a load of trivial shite. They should do these things more often..

15:47 / 07.06.02

Peresphone: Hmm... I did a walkabout on the big bar strip of Lincoln Ave right after one of them and ended up running to grab one of the few cabs to usher me away from the near drunken riot conditions and into the safety of Touman's Alcohol Abuse Center.

Seems slightly more civilized here - though it's interesting to note that drunk fans bellow out "ENGLAND!" in that exact same sort of way one would except to hear something like "BULLS WIN! BULLS WIN!" being bellowed...

People are people, so why should it be...?

16:07 / 07.06.02

Nick: I'm also wondering whether, if the Americans do really well, it could form a stronger link between the US and the rest of the world - a popular sport shared couldn't be bad. Maybe a few more US citizens would get passports and travel a bit.

You should reread Kali's post about scheduling. Most of the games are on between 3 and 6 am here. Not prime audience time. Which kind of sucks, cuz I wouldn't mind watching a match or two.

I have vague memories of Roberto Baggio being a big star back when America did well o so many years ago. But mainly because I was traveling at the time.

We're The Great Old Ones Now

16:52 / 07.06.02

Grant - I know - no surprise. But if the team does well, it could change the perception of the game.

Are you saying Nick, that a hard line right wing approach to crime and sentencing is required to clear up the UK's vandalism problem (graffiti thread?!)?

No.

Goodness Gracious Meme

17:12 / 07.06.02

In answer to the topic abstract... erm, call it a culture and yeah, I am.

Am very confused between the vile jingoism/blatant racism and the absolute fact that I am on cloud nine thanks to england's win. and that I spent the afternoon in a v.blokey pub, on my onw, without feeling at all out of place/intimidated... but basically where i am right now is...

HOO-FUCKING-RAH.

Absolutely fucking brilliant... am still floating about with stupid grin...

Genuinely attractive passing football played by both teams(???), Nicky Butt putting some beautiful balls at the feet of Owen (and justifying my boring on about him), Beckham all over the park being the gorgeous thing we know he can be (serioulsy considering a Beckham shirt atm, wondering if i could bring myself to wear it), Ferdinand finally realising that he is a world class defender, Trevor Sinclair (???) giving us some semblance of a left wing, Danny Mills concentrating on nice easy defending and not chopping Lopez' legs out from under him... Seeing England's defence properly tested not crack...

But Batistuta was fucking lucky not to get sent off.

Nigeria? Bring 'em on...

(incidentally, am also v.pleased, make that astounded, at how the Republic of Ireland are playing... want them to do bloody well so as to be able to go home and tell Roy Keane exactly where to stick his temper tantrums. pillock.)

Goodness Gracious Meme

17:35 / 07.06.02

Oh, and as I was going to start a thread on this anyway, how many of us pass the Tebbit Test? ("According to Lord Tebbit, you'll recall, we could only be classed as British if we cheered England during a cricket match and, extending his theory, Britain in every other sport." )

Am interested in how people think supporting national sports teams relate to their politics, identities, where they think they belong... if at all.

Knodge - YOUR nemesis!

17:42 / 07.06.02

That was a great result! The last ten minutes were excruciating... but what a feeling at the final whistle. Very nice to see Beckham hit the penalty after the torment he faced four years ago.

17:52 / 07.06.02

plums - my (australian) landlady just said she assumed i supported england. i don't. i'm mostly english, but (as i said in the thread about the nation state) i was born on *this* bit of land, rather than *that*. doesn't mean much to me. more likely to support switzerland because i love the alps.

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